tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post450049986197650314..comments2023-10-12T11:32:27.836-04:00Comments on paulconley: Breaking my heart: more unethical links in editUnknownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07278569290198583553noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-28945380019570624622008-04-17T10:07:00.000-04:002008-04-17T10:07:00.000-04:00Have the people who are defending the New York Tim...<EM>Have the people who are defending the New York Times practice actually used the service? Those links often go to a definition that includes a couple of text-link ads, thus, in reality they are in-line text ads.</EM><BR/><BR/>Rex,<BR/><BR/>I think there's a clear difference between a service that provides additional *content* which is helpful to readers that has an ad in the new page and the Murleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05856263869229018699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-61225243552190033402008-04-16T17:35:00.000-04:002008-04-16T17:35:00.000-04:00Something that CIO did that has not been appropria...Something that CIO did that has not been appropriately addressed is that there were editorial links (other than the LinkedIn links) that take the reader directly to a company site, the landing page of which had content that was directly selling a product or service. As a reader you don't even know that is what you're going to see when you go to that link. <BR/><BR/>That, to me is not only NOT a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-71547210499676316632008-04-16T15:10:00.000-04:002008-04-16T15:10:00.000-04:00I have weighed in on this issue on ASBPE's blog at...I have weighed in on this issue on ASBPE's blog at http://asbpenational.blogspot.com/2008/04/paul-conley-links-in-to-another-b2b.html<BR/><BR/>Steve Roll<BR/>President, American Society of Business Publication EditorsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-60846618684577494772008-04-16T14:43:00.000-04:002008-04-16T14:43:00.000-04:00Have the people who are defending the New York Tim...Have the people who are defending the New York Times practice actually used the service? Those links often go to a definition that includes a couple of text-link ads, thus, in reality they are in-line text ads.<BR/><BR/>Second, if the Linked-in feature on CIO.com is an "ad for Linked-in" then any link to any content is an ad for whatever it links to. It's a link to a "feature" -- a search featureRex Hammockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00667413349249748323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-43320306404190832008-04-15T15:21:00.000-04:002008-04-15T15:21:00.000-04:00To Editor Watching His Industry Crumble: In answer...To Editor Watching His Industry Crumble: <BR/>In answer to your question, no money is changing hands. The larger agreement involves CIO content and a CIO group within LinkedIn, and other APIs to be rolled out later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-67251091105043712162008-04-15T13:34:00.000-04:002008-04-15T13:34:00.000-04:00Paul,My first reaction to the links was a knee-jer...Paul,<BR/><BR/>My first reaction to the links was a knee-jerk "No!" Then I started to think that perhaps they weren't quite the same as the IntelliTXT ads. But eventually I came around full circle. I blogged my thoughts (which do <EM>not</EM> reflect official ASBPE policy) <A HREF="http://asbpeboston.blogspot.com/2008/04/cios-in-text-links-ethical-or-not.html" REL="nofollow">here on the ASBPE ASBPEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11744200810426616401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-70556657007786437202008-04-15T12:16:00.000-04:002008-04-15T12:16:00.000-04:00Thanks to all of you who have posted comments and ...Thanks to all of you who have posted comments and sent emails.<BR/>It gives me great pleasure to know that this topic evokes such passion in our industry.<BR/>I also want to let everyone know that I've heard from a representative of ASBPE. Members of that organization's leadership are reviewing the ethics policy and the CIO links.<BR/>I hope to hear their thoughts soon.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07278569290198583553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-89594808561541469472008-04-15T10:58:00.000-04:002008-04-15T10:58:00.000-04:00My comments to follow are personal and do not refl...My comments to follow are personal and do not reflect the feeling of any organization necessarily. <BR/><BR/>The embedded links to LinkIn is one thing. It can be argued that all you are doing there is providing a way for readers to find other connections useful to them. But what's another side to the issue?<BR/><BR/>In our hearts (I write not to praise Barry Goldwater) we all know the ONLY reasonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-53567875523892397582008-04-15T10:22:00.000-04:002008-04-15T10:22:00.000-04:00This is an interesting discussion. On the one hand...This is an interesting discussion. On the one hand, there is more than a "helping the reader" interest in these pop-ups (they're not links, technically, IMHO, since they don't go anywhere). If the service were really just to "help the reader" then they would include links to other social networks - facebook, etc. as well. They are ads for LinkedIn. Possibly useful for readers, but aren't all ads Murleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05856263869229018699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-75160429407803252942008-04-15T10:04:00.000-04:002008-04-15T10:04:00.000-04:00Abbie, I think the key part of your comment is: "t...Abbie, I think the key part of your comment is: "the Company Insider widget is just one part of the overall agreement"...So LinkedIn is paying CIO for these links within editorial copy? Whether you control their use or not, you're being paid to alter editorial content. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-62990449697760496782008-04-14T20:18:00.000-04:002008-04-14T20:18:00.000-04:00Hi Paul - I think you must be misinformed. As Edit...Hi Paul - I think you must be misinformed. As Editor in Chief at CIO, I approve the use of these links. The former Editorial Director of CIO.com approved them before he left. They are not ads but a reader service, so I think that pretty much satisfies the guidelines.<BR/>If I believed this was in violation of editorial ethics guidelines, we wouldn't be doing it. Chances are we will modify our Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-42104910432672903942008-04-14T19:08:00.000-04:002008-04-14T19:08:00.000-04:00Hi Rex,It looks like we'll have to ask ASBPE for a...Hi Rex,<BR/>It looks like we'll have to ask ASBPE for a ruling on this. <BR/>If they agree with me that the links violate the guidelines, then maybe CIO will agree to give the editors control.<BR/>If ASBPE agrees with you, then maybe it will issue a clarification of the guidelines.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07278569290198583553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-28319673062275603632008-04-14T18:38:00.000-04:002008-04-14T18:38:00.000-04:00In that case, I think the wording of the ASBPE cod...In that case, I think the wording of the ASBPE code may be flawed. If in-line links can be automated that serve the reader (whether or not you agree these are), it should not be unethical to use such technology. If such is the case, the New York Times website is unethical as every word on it is a hyperlink -- and I'm sure no editor can over-ride it.<BR/><BR/>I might add, I have no knowledge Rex Hammockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00667413349249748323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-82703712577584229912008-04-14T18:11:00.000-04:002008-04-14T18:11:00.000-04:00Hi Rex,Thanks for the comment.I understand what yo...Hi Rex,<BR/>Thanks for the comment.<BR/>I understand what you're saying. I also thought about the links used in financial-news sites when I wrote about this post.<BR/>But when I worked at CNNfn.com, the forerunner of CNNMoney.com, those of us on the editorial side had control over the use of those links . And that made all the difference.<BR/>What bothers me about the CIO links is that the Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07278569290198583553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9554091.post-7769722734503712362008-04-14T17:52:00.000-04:002008-04-14T17:52:00.000-04:00Sorry, Paul. I disagree with you this time.While I...Sorry, Paul. I disagree with you this time.<BR/><BR/>While I am 100% with you on the issue of in-line ads, I don't believe the clearly marked Linkedin feature presents the same ethical challenge.<BR/><BR/>There are many instances where site-wide in-text hyperlinks are automatically embeded that serve the reader.<BR/><BR/>Highlight and double click on any word on the NYTimes.com website -- 100% ofRex Hammockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00667413349249748323noreply@blogger.com